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Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.22 20:26:00 -
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I see so many vids that clear show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.23 08:11:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:why is everyone here saying "appropriate"? wtf does that mean?
ok so in my experience all the best players ive spoken to use controllers, most probably due to kb/m being **** (unless the adapter thing maybe)
i highly doubt most people can tell the diff between ds3 and kbm when used against them.
most people just use it as an excuse as to why they suck. dont be one of those people.
next time you are curious just ask the person you are watching they will probably tell you what input type they use. then you wont have to guess and assume.
or just try them both and tell us what u think instead of posting "what i believe".
no offence OP but ppl act like its some almighty secret cheaty instant win.
sorry to burst your bubble but everyone is free to use it, there are no "kbm kiddies getting the edge on me" theres just ppl who are better or worse at killing you. no biggie.
the end. :)
Yes, all that's fair enough. I am referring to the nature of the moves I've seen in vids that show absolutely nothing smooth - no gradation at all of movement speed, just sort of flicking around from one direction to another, exactly as I would expect from a mouse. Perhaps they are using a mouse for aiming, but a controller for everything else - is that even possible?
Anyway, I'm sure I can't achieve the sort of things I've seen even with sensitivity dialed right up. I already have mine at 90 and it's still a long way from what I've been seeing. It's the jerkiness of the moves that I can't seem to achieve - the cursor (crosshairs) instantly on target. Is this possible with the DS3? Do I just have to keep practicing? |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.23 08:13:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just as Useless as the PlayStation Move Controller.
Hehe. I wondered about that. I've tried the Move. Really sad. It lags, it doesn't turn fast enough, the aiming is a nightmare. I wish I hadn't bought the thing. It seemed like it should work for something like an FPS, but no. |
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Posted - 2016.01.23 10:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:jordy mack wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote: not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem. lol yer coz it sucks... and i dont buy that deadspace bs. nobody moves the stick slow enough fo that to happen there's a reaction delay between shifting directions that no other game using controllers has at that level. IMHO the DS3 controls were extremely poorly mapped as far back as beta. Unfortunately the KB/M is absolutely terrible.
So.....
Nothing works? :)
I think I've determined from all this that the DS3 is the best of a bad bunch. The lack of positional accuracy notwithstanding, it does seem to be the interface that was designed into the game - it's the only one that does everything that's required for the game. The only issue appears to be the right analogue stick for aiming. Guess I'll just have to "git gud" and learn to use it properly... |
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:04:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster.
That's precisely what I was getting at. I have a problem with where I would put the mouse. Perhaps some sort of lap table, similar to the one I have for a laptop? It would probably not be big enough for both the kb and the mouse though. Unless I move my whole setup to a desk... I kinda like playing on my sofa, but it probably makes it too relaxed for playing Dust anyway. ;) |
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:06:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Soto Gallente wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster. Not just gaming keyboards. Just take any old wireless usb keyboard, plug that sucker into the PS3 and it works, no programming required. As in programing for key mapping and macros. Any KB works on the game, but a cheap gaming KB and mouse can be preprogramed and then plugged into the PS3 with any key map you want. Macros as well. That's a huge advantage.....
I actually do have a Logitech gaming keyboard and mouse that I have had to shelve because the drivers caused problems with the laptop I was using them on. But they might work fine for a PS3 and I know for a fact you can program them using a computer and load the programming onto them and then plug them into the PS3. Might be worth a shot. I'm not using them for anything else.
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Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:09:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clearly show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? Feel free to use any USB keyboard and mouse. But, prepare to be severly handicapped in basic rifle combat at ranges between 5 to 50 m, because that's the area where Aim Assist excels over MKB precision. The reward for that sacrifice is superiority in forging, sniping and tanking.
Since I started playing I've been bemused by all this talk of "aim assist". Yes I have it turned on, but I can't figure how it's "assisting" me in any major way. I've actually seen it work a few times, sort of a lock-on and it follows the target a bit, but that actually was a negative in the instance, when I wanted to just fire in a certain direction and hit anything that was there, rather than following the target. Other than that, I've never seen "aim assist" actually assist me!
Do tell, how does it work for you? |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.25 22:31:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:If you really want to get better just train with what you been using, and get better. All these so-called "slayers" simply use modded controllers to alter movement speed, aim, and rate of fire. They still suck without it, and you know this because they still get rekt and have now started glitching on top of their mods....  If you weren't good with DS3 just change your playstyle, tactics, and strategy. Sometimes it's the way you apply what you use, and not what you're using. Clear example is all these modded controller players still eating sand, and getting thrashed when up against good teams in PC. They'll always be kd padding pub stars, and mods and glitches won't save them when up against team work, tactics, and disciplined players. The end
Thanks for the good advice. Yes, I can see what you're getting at. I actually still like the DS3, I just think I need to learn a new way of using it. I'm used to flight combat sims, where smoothness of use of the controls is extremely important for aiming as well as for flying. In Dust, I find myself trying to do the same thing, in particular taking too much time aiming and then getting shot by my target before I have a chance to fire off a shot.
So I need to learn to be quicker with the controls. Positional accuracy, as with a mouse, would seem to be of help, and I mistakenly thought that the PS Move would also do this, but it's a fail because it's just not accurate enough. Yes, I can quickly move the crosshairs, but I can't position them precisely enough. If I learn to use the analog sticks of the DS3 in a manner quick enough and accurate enough to function in Dust, that will be probably all I need.
So yes, it's not about what I'm using so much as how I use it. |
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